S2 Ep. 9: Jaap Burger, independent expert on EV grid integration | flexibility, grid congestion, the cost of public charging and V2G

Episode von Smart Charge by RiDERgy von Claudio Geyken · 13. Oktober 2026 · 1 h 25 min

The grid map of the Netherlands is almost entirely red for new connections, and that matters far less if you are flexible. Jaap Burger, who has worked on electric vehicle grid integration for over fifteen years, argues that flexibility is what decides whether electrification is affordable, and that the industry keeps arguing for it instead of demonstrating it.

Jaap started at the city of Amsterdam on its first public on-street charge points, at a time when the roles of charge point operator and mobility service provider were not yet clearly separated and roaming meant operators emailing each other spreadsheets of identifiers and charge data records. He has been freelance for eleven years, and since 2015, when he helped build smart charging on a connected car API linked to a utility's trading desk, his work has moved steadily towards grid integration and European policy. He describes his role as translating for policymakers what innovators can already do, and translating back to the market what regulation could actually do for them. He arrived for this conversation from Utrecht by electric coach, with a single charging stop at a truck charging hub near Hanover.

The conversation gets specific. Jaap argues that expensive public charging is a cost problem before it is a pricing problem: permitting, planning, grid connections, hardware and software set the price an operator must ask, which shapes utilisation, revenue and bankability, and therefore how fast that operator can scale at all. He makes the case that not every peak is equally bad, that a charging peak coinciding with local solar production can help the grid, and that some early demand charges inside network tariffs flatten one peak only to create a bigger one later. On the Netherlands, he explains how a grid map that is almost entirely red for new connections coexists with distributed flexibility from single vehicles reaching the flexibility market, with a new mechanism opening this autumn at low voltage level, and what it took to get there: operators, an MSP platform and grid operators demonstrating it at scale. He is measured on vehicle to grid, which works today in captive fleets with one carmaker, one operator and one source of data, and warns that the excitement around it obscures the larger near term value of unidirectional smart charging. He also covers the German pass through model, real time price endpoints from operators to mobility service providers, the non discriminatory pricing requirement in the European alternative fuels infrastructure regulation, and the fragmentation of roughly 800 distribution grid operators in Germany.

An episode about the gap between what flexibility can already do and what the rules currently reward, and about what fleets and operators need from each other to close it.

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